Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:00:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Kay
Subject: Re: [CDG] Seeing Spaces
Either way it's fine.

To me, one of the most important things about Engineering is that you can do it before both math and science but letting Nature be the simulator and the structures "be their own math" -- so if a beam cracks you can double the cross section without Young's Modulus, etc. I think this trait got a lot of artifacts created that were then fruitful to study and model in various ways.

I sent the URL to Vishal, because he loves the analogies of making physical things to what you really need to make SW.

Cheers

Alan


From: Bret Victor <bret-****************>
To: Alan Kay <****************>
Cc: Communications Design Group <****************-web.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [CDG] Seeing Spaces

Yeah, I adapted my spectrum from your ellipses, but I merged your Engineering and Mathematics together, because that distinction wasn't the focus of the talk. 

And I guess I'm trying (in passing) to get people to aspire to "mathematical engineering" (like electrical engineering) as opposed to "tinkering/cookbook engineering" (like a lot of software engineering).




On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Alan Kay <****************> wrote:

> Yay!
>
> I like to explain STEM in historical order (and use the "T" for something better than the redundant term "Techonology", so:
>
> Tinkering Engineering Mathematics Science as overlapped ellipses.
>
> I think of Engineering historically as "principled ways of next steps after Tinkering" and many of these used cookbooks before math came along, and many of them helped get math invented.
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> This is a good one!
>
> Cheers
>
> Alan
>
> From: Bret Victor <bret-****************>
> To: Communications Design Group <****************-web.org" href="mailto:****************-web.org">****************-web.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:01 AM
> Subject: [CDG] Seeing Spaces
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> My EG talk from last month is online:
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>    http://vimeo.com/97903574
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> I've apparently reached the stage of my career where I no longer make things, but just draw pictures of them and wish they existed.  Hey, it worked for Vannevar Bush.
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> (Okay, that's not really true.  I didn't draw the pictures.)
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