Yeah, I adapted my spectrum from your ellipses, but I merged your Engineering and Mathematics together, because that distinction wasn't the focus of the talk. And I guess I'm trying (in passing) to get people to aspire to "mathematical engineering" (like electrical engineering) as opposed to "tinkering/cookbook engineering" (like a lot of software engineering). On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Alan Kay <****************> wrote: > Yay! > > I like to explain STEM in historical order (and use the "T" for something better than the redundant term "Techonology", so: > > Tinkering Engineering Mathematics Science as overlapped ellipses. > > I think of Engineering historically as "principled ways of next steps after Tinkering" and many of these used cookbooks before math came along, and many of them helped get math invented. > > This is a good one! > > Cheers > > Alan > > From: Bret Victor <bret-****************> > To: Communications Design Group <****************-web.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:01 AM > Subject: [CDG] Seeing Spaces > > My EG talk from last month is online: > > http://vimeo.com/97903574 > > I've apparently reached the stage of my career where I no longer make things, but just draw pictures of them and wish they existed. Hey, it worked for Vannevar Bush. > > (Okay, that's not really true. I didn't draw the pictures.) > > > __________________________________________________ > CDG mailing list > http://lively-web.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cdg > > __________________________________________________ CDG mailing list http://lively-web.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cdg